Bonus: Struggle Party - Thanks for Making Me Feel Something
Bonus episode where Anne and Alison share what they’re reading, watching, and listening to. They each share one thing they’re struggling with right now and one tool they’re using to get through it.
Show Notes:
Nope film on Netflix
The Vow Season 2 on HBO
Mrs. Harris Goes to Paris film
Your Own Backyard podcast
Paul Flores convicted of the 1996 murder of Kristin Smart
Alison on live radio, The Dave Congalton Show, discussing the Kristin Smart case and Flores’ conviction (on 10/18, not 10/10 as the episode states)
Transcript:
Anne Sherry 0:06
Well I went really high.
Alison Cebulla 0:10
Yeah, that's always fun.
Anne Sherry 0:12
I kind of wish I were high right now actually.
Alison Cebulla 0:16
The purpose of this episode is just that Anna and I are not doing long intros anymore on the regular episodes, but we kind of miss checking in like, what? Sharing what we're reading and what we're fucking struggling with. So we're gonna do a little check in a little struggle Part IV.
Anne Sherry 0:37
What are you doing? That's fun.
Alison Cebulla 0:39
I am training for my first ever 50k trail race.
Anne Sherry 0:47
Shut the front door. 50 Fucking cats 32
Alison Cebulla 0:51
Miles 32
Anne Sherry 0:54
trail, like up and down over rocks dirt. When is this happening? April. I need a goal. I think I'm gonna do a couch to 5k Like that's 3.2 I'm gonna do it three but you're doing 32 And I'm doing a three point I'm gonna put a dot between my three
Alison Cebulla 1:14
okay, we all need goals. We all need goals. Okay, we
Anne Sherry 1:17
all need goals. Okay,
Alison Cebulla 1:18
I Okay, I created my Excel spreadsheet with my training calendar. So I'm about a month into that. And then I also have like an accountability buddy. My friend Hannah is also training for the race. So we check in like every day and how our training went that day. So I think
Anne Sherry 1:34
going Are y'all that are y'all from the same generation?
Alison Cebulla 1:37
Yes, we're both middle millennials.
Anne Sherry 1:40
Do not get a Gen X accountability, buddy. We are shit and we're like it's fine. No one really cares. You don't have to do it. No one's watching it won't feel that good. That's fine just go have some wine. That's fine. Yeah, yeah, I'm good. If you need accountability get millennial or younger. It's fair.
Alison Cebulla 2:04
Right? So what's what's fun for you right now?
Anne Sherry 2:07
This is funny because I'm not I don't know. I think I'm struggling with what's fun. Shit I'm feel so fun right now. I don't know and I'm really really curious about though that's yeah, I mean, so my fun Can I move into? Well no cuz struggle party. Yeah.
Alison Cebulla 2:26
So now we're going to check out about what we're reading watching and and listening to at the moment and you and I both read that medium piece. What the fuck just happened at Burning Man by Buck down. I didn't go to Burning Man. I haven't been to Burning Man. I have been to a lot of festivals like a bunch of festivals, including like lightning in a bottle and adjacent things. Yeah, but this article was so good at describing why people at Burning Man This year we're having trouble connecting as a community that I feel is so applicable to our society at large like I just love this piece and we'll link to it in the show notes.
Anne Sherry 3:14
Yeah, it explained some pen I mean, it's about pandemic being between the last Burning Man what the impact that pandemic has had on the the gifts of Burning Man or what's what's trying to be practiced there. That's our sole needs. So I was like, Oh, that makes a lot of sense. Even though I have not been to Burning Man either.
Alison Cebulla 3:36
Oh, I love this part. He said the pandemic dulled our emotional fine motor skills and turned Yes. Say no. Say no more.
Anne Sherry 3:49
Yeah, I barely barely was getting them in the pandemic was just like, let's just burn those off. You don't need them at all. Yeah.
Alison Cebulla 3:58
Oh, wait, and I love this next part of the sentence. Okay, he says the pandemic dulled our emotional fine motor skills and turned every moment into the potential to become whatever the pedestrian equivalent of road rage is. I that is so perfect. Yeah, check. It does. Road rage.
Anne Sherry 4:24
I feel like I'm totally totally. Yeah, I am. Yes. One case
Alison Cebulla 4:31
we have been with road rage. It's like you're in your own little car bubble. And now with COVID You're in your own little like house bubble all the time. It's that bubbly thing once you're like in this bubble, you just start to hate everybody.
Anne Sherry 4:45
That's right. That's right. Well, and to that whole thing of that I was all like, Haha, Gen X knows how to do this. That doesn't make it like you didn't win, like being being a Gen X and being left alone was fucked up in and up But self so being a good at a pandemic is kind of like, not good. Don't want to be good at. I mean he I think he said in here like every human you met could have been a bomb you know something was like a toxic being so you're looking at every single person around going you could hurt you
Alison Cebulla 5:21
could kill me you could you could kill me you
Anne Sherry 5:23
could kill me. Yes, yeah. So that was like that had an impact and that's there's my that movement a little I mean this is this is sort of the the malaise that I've sort of feeling like I'm walking around with it like ended and seeing it in my client load too. And certainly, I can hold hope for everybody. I know where we're want to go. And it's easier to do it for someone else. And we're posed to, that works fine. But we can also be as therapists, I guarantee you, every single therapist out there is also struggling. And feeling this and I'm really like feeling the same boat with clients. Not that I've ever said one up one down, like, I'm so much better than you because I've done more work. But I'm like, Yes, what is going on? There's just this general, something that's ineffable almost, but you feel it, and it feels like capitalism. And that bullshit is just like, just like movies just started right back up, you know, like, oh, what movie? Oh, the movie I just saw recently, nope. When the UFOs common seen it. And everything powers down and it feels like this. We're just being powered back up and you're just destabilized? And like, okay, I guess I'll just say yes to this or go to this or that sounds fine. Or, I don't know, scheduled me up. I don't know what else to be doing. So anyways, I was just,
Alison Cebulla 6:54
there was this other really good little section of his piece where he said, We categorically failed to factor in what the last two years of living under the shadow of a global pandemic did to us as people by the time we got there, and he's referring to Burning Man, but again, I think it's widely applicable. He says, By the time we got there, we weren't the same folks that last left the desert in 2019. And I really feel this about the work world. Because I have been searching for a job this year. And I wrote this piece on LinkedIn about why isn't wired this no one talking about COVID? Not. I probably had like 10, round 10 companies I interviewed with so several rounds each. No one mentioned COVID Ever, ever. And it just felt so weird. Like you guys, like I'm not the same employee that I was in 2019 You're not a company. You're not the same hiring director like what is going on? And no one would acknowledge it. It was it's it felt so eerie. I'm still freaked out. But no one's mentioning
Anne Sherry 8:05
it. Yeah. Well, it's pretty intimate. I mean, what do you say about it? Like, then people are forced to talk about trauma and loneliness and people dying around you or, or the polarization or people families breaking up over vaccination status and like, you'd have to talk about all the gross stuff that well i Yeah, all this stuff.
Alison Cebulla 8:31
That was hard. Okay, thank you, sir. Weird. That was hard. Done, but no one said that.
Anne Sherry 8:40
That's weird. If you
Alison Cebulla 8:41
work for a corporation, you're listening. Set, send us an email, send us an email what's going on? Why is Why is no one talking about this? Our email is latchkey urchins@gmail.com latchkey ergens@gmail.com. Seriously, what is your theory? Why are companies just ignoring this?
Anne Sherry 9:04
You know, the word victim keeps coming to me. Nobody wants to be like, I don't know why. But just like then then you're into like, Oh, I'm a victim of the pandemic or I don't know, like,
Alison Cebulla 9:15
yeah, I just started watching the vowels. Season two, I would let's just move on what the vowel season two they talk about that term, the cult, you know, the show about Nexium about being at cause and how that's how they were able to brainwash everyone to to stay in this call was that if you ever felt like the victim? You had to turn it around and be like, No, you created this situation in which you were being abused. You're at cause because you didn't set a boundary or you didn't you attracted to and that can be helpful. Like if you're stuck in this poor me kind of deal. You're stuck there. It can be really nice to find some agency, right? But then it's like wild No, but okay, but abuse is still real. You can have agency a and be a victim. There's all this we love to make things black and
Anne Sherry 10:07
white. Hmm. We do. What if both things are existing? Yes. Yeah. So I don't know. But that was a great article, it was really helpful to hear. I think it's to that like, just burning man for me the way I know. I just that is like, this culture that we talk about how do we get into society with each other? And the how hard it is to be out there? Oh, here's what I love that he said. Like, in regular world or whatever, he has a term for it and whatever non Burning Man world, like you don't know any of your neighbors names, probably
Alison Cebulla 10:52
I like that
Anne Sherry 10:53
name, right? I love that. And then at Burning Man, you would know like, all your neighbors, whatever names you take on different names there, but all around you and have stories that you will tell your entire life, you know, and I'm like, that's, that's very cool that that's happening. I imagine they're gonna, like keep going and have different festival versions
Alison Cebulla 11:16
of themselves, though, like this. I have a funny story. So I had these, these two friends that I met when I lived in Belgium. And they lived in California for a little while, while they were here. They went to Burning Man. One year, I didn't go. I was living in New York. And they were like, hey, like, we met this great guy at Burning Man. He's the most fun person we've ever met. And he lives in New York, you should hang out. So I was like, Cool. Like, I love my friends. And if they are recommending this friend, I'm sure he's really cool. And it did not to me it didn't need to be like a romantic thing or whatever. I just needed some friends like, and so yeah, we met up to go to a like a concert. And he was the most socially awkward human being I have ever, ever attempted to talk to. In my entire life. I have never been more miserable than hanging out with this human being. And people have festival personas. It's like an energy that you tap into. You get to be someone else, like safer and you can be more playful. And then people go back into their regular lives and it's like,
Anne Sherry 12:22
Ooh, yeah, I know. I wonder I don't here's a how do we how do we get a dose of festival ality just take Josh in our daily lives? I guess so. Yeah, I guess so. I guess at this point we've been so locked down into roles there's so much hurt there's so many polarizations are so don't do this or you should act this way are so many rules.
Alison Cebulla 12:53
So yeah, I started to notice like people are such weird fakers on LinkedIn that I just started like posting like real stuff and tons of people started following me which is super weird. I don't think I actually really want to be a LinkedIn influencer, but here we are. And people are just so fake. And I was like, why? And it's because they like people feel like they have to suck up to the man I'm putting in air quotes. Because the man is omnipresent and watching you and the man if he knew who you really were, he wouldn't give you a raise and he would fire you and he wouldn't like who you really are. And so people have this weird like Big Brother style you know, like 1984 style personality on LinkedIn. That's like the man's watching and I got to pretend to be this really boring fucker and post the most boring, boring boring, completely inauthentic shit of all time, and then also like constantly hype like what do you post on lately? Hopefully, I will know that I got this commotion at work hopefully the man will notice that I got a title change hopefully the man is watching that I got this piece pal I don't know it's I mean I like celebrating people but the vibe is off the vibe is off we're moving on to struggle party Alright, let's go
Anne Sherry 14:24
I have three therapy days and I fill the rest of the shit up with like go into Target I know it's a me problem but yeah,
Alison Cebulla 14:31
okay and okay, I could stare at a blank wall all day I don't get all day every day and I don't feel guilty at all. I love sitting around doing absolutely fucking nothing this is a you
Anne Sherry 14:46
can I get some of your brain transplant are some what's going
Alison Cebulla 14:50
on in your head where you have to do everything helped me understand.
Anne Sherry 14:57
I mean, you got friends and shit you go to things like this We know I signed up for span. Oh, you don't? Alright, so if you're my friend, I'm firing you right now and I'm just gonna stare at a fucking wall because I think that I was talking to Tom. I was like, I'm gonna fake my own death. I'm gonna like soap because I don't trust myself. I like say yes to so much stuff. But it's good. I mean, because I'm like, we need community and it feels good. I think part of it is like, Ken, I think it's a not being able to be in the present moment problem. Because at any I mean, this is the the greats, the spiritual greats would be like, so you're standing in line at Target, just breathe, just be right there. Like, I think you could trip out all day. I think maybe I'll just take mushrooms all day for a while we could come on sick mushrooms.
Alison Cebulla 15:43
It's the solution. I
Anne Sherry 15:44
know. But I mean, I'm not microdose it needs to be like enough where like the world, like, you know, there's like, there's I won't do it on client days. Okay, but like Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. I'm just gonna start with a gradual thing. It could be amazing. See what happens. Yeah. Okay. I'll take the bus to Yeah, yeah, don't drive the car. No, I'm not gonna get in a fucking car. I could get on a bike though. Probably. Anyways, they're not legal. I'm not doing it. Yeah, this is all
Alison Cebulla 16:15
hypothetical. Yeah. This is all hypothetical. I do. Yeah. We were even into what we might try to do.
Anne Sherry 16:22
Yes. Yeah. So you're struggling. I don't know what's going on. I'm gonna blame it on the struggle
Alison Cebulla 16:28
Party right now. Is that too
Anne Sherry 16:32
many? overscheduled. And then I quit some stuff. I quit Spanish and I kind of I want to learn to speak Spanish but wrong timing. We can't find me
Alison Cebulla 16:42
what all
Anne Sherry 16:45
her cert right? No. Then there's another thing. Well, I'm going to figure this out. Right? I think, I don't know. I'll get back to everybody on this. I'm gonna I'm gonna back off some things and we'll just see. Okay, but I say that all the fun that
Alison Cebulla 16:57
I just add more in it's like a it's like you're digging, trying to dig the water out of the hole, you know? And then it just keeps filling back up. Like it's not isn't weren't whatever your
Anne Sherry 17:08
maybe I just need to do maybe I just need to accept that and then be present. Maybe it's a be present. Wherever you are. Yeah, like so what happens there like that? I'm gonna try that. I'm gonna go Yeah, there was the part of our struggle party. What well done. That was the tool part.
Alison Cebulla 17:25
It was like, What tool
Anne Sherry 17:26
that's the tool. I'm gonna have it right. And do mushrooms. Like hypothetical mushroom? Yes. I put that. They do mushrooms. Yes. Yeah. That's it. All right. That's my struggle. overscheduled with good shit. Be present. Okay. Are you struggling?
Alison Cebulla 17:48
Like, I guess if I'm honest, I have mentioned that a few times, even like, the last episode of season one. And I've mentioned that I think a couple times in intros is like, I'm still not, I can't find my motivation.
Anne Sherry 18:04
I'm resonating with the lack of motivation. I
Alison Cebulla 18:06
don't know why. endemically I'm doing this. Nothing really feels that exciting. And ever, and you know what, this is the main emotion is like a an uneasiness. I feel uneasy. So things are happening. And none of them sit right with me. You know, like, I just accepted a new job. And in the past, I would have been excited. And of course there is I have a part that's excited. It's like, great. Now I have a job and I'll talk about it later once I start. But I have another part that's like really uneasy, that I think is probably pandemic related. That's just like, but then Okay, wait, you know, Brene Brown talks about how joy is the most vulnerable emotion because we fear that any moment it can be ripped from us. That is what's going on for me. I don't want to get you're afraid
Anne Sherry 19:02
to be joyful about it. Okay.
Alison Cebulla 19:06
And that's definitely it. I feel like we've lost so much.
Anne Sherry 19:15
I think you're right. I think what I Yeah.
Alison Cebulla 19:18
And it's like too, it's like, too overwhelming to even comprehend.
Anne Sherry 19:28
That's why it's almost like we need new vocabulary like we're we've just stretched out into, like, really complicated feelings and experiences and everybody's got pushed away from each other or something. And it's, I don't know, loss of hope, or I can't. I think this is struggling to be coherent with my struggle party because I think you're you're you're naming it. There's something really, really really desperately tragic and sad that just happened over the last two years and, and two and a half or whatever, it's still happening. We're polarized beyond belief.
Alison Cebulla 20:12
Still, yes, yeah, it doesn't feel like we're actually out of it because of the political stuff. And I am really, really this is one of the tools I've been using is to sit with the fact that we have been very privileged in the United States and that people in most other countries do not expect stability, they've never had stability. So sitting with that as a great tool for me, I'm not sort of negating my own discomfort. But on the other hand, I'm like, I know if other people can be strong and do this thing, which is political turmoil. We can I can do this. Yeah. But like the threat of fascism and our democracy falling. We're like this
Anne Sherry 21:01
close. I know.
Alison Cebulla 21:05
And it's all going to go down like in the next two weeks.
Anne Sherry 21:09
Yes. Yeah. And things like you know, abortion is no longer legal doesn't seem to be motivating people. You know, or great.
Alison Cebulla 21:24
Texans elect Greg Abbott. I watched a movie last night.
Anne Sherry 21:30
Oh, you said it was cute. Okay, it
Alison Cebulla 21:32
was a very light hearted cute movie. It's like a remake of a remake that just, it just came out this year. It Have you seen any of the versions? I guess there was a version of the 90s with Angela Lansbury. Rip to that absolute legend. called Mrs. Harris goes to Paris. Have you seen any of these? No, there was one of the funniest one of the 90s and then that one just came out. Okay. And it is the sweetest, cutest, most heartfelt, most charming, just enchanting movie I've seen in a very long time. And I have a little bit of a bias because I love anything set in Paris. I just love the vibe. It's always like, yeah, so and chance agreed. But it's this cute fictional story about a woman who gets really obsessed with a Christian Dior dress. And she's just like, a woman of modest means. She's a housecleaner. But she gets obsessed with this designer, really, really, really expensive dress, and she has to go to Paris to buy one. And I Okay, I sobbed the entire movie. There were tears streaming down my face the entire movie. Because I'm gonna cry again. Everyone was so nice to each other in the movie. It was just like too much. It was just like one person being kind after the next and it was just like, God. Where has
Anne Sherry 22:59
that we've had? Yeah, yeah. Where we kind before?
Alison Cebulla 23:05
Probably not.
Anne Sherry 23:09
But I ah, yeah, but it's really missing. If you
Alison Cebulla 23:17
want to pick me up. This is the movie. Watch it. It's so cute. Okay, sweet. All right.
Anne Sherry 23:23
What's it called again?
Alison Cebulla 23:24
Mrs. Harris goes to Paris Paris.
Anne Sherry 23:27
Oh, it rhymes that's even. That's even cute. And Cayenne
Alison Cebulla 23:31
little bit around. It's just like it has these great overtones to of the labor movement like communism in the 50s where everyone in France is like striking for labor rights. And so and all the there's this thing where like the workers who the lower down ranking workers at the designer place love this modest English woman for just showing up and demanding to be a part of upper class society because they, they feel like they relate to her. So there's this whole thing about the average worker and empowering the average worker as like a main as like a theme. It's just a great Oh, my
Anne Sherry 24:15
goodness. Yeah. Sounds like there was some hope and some agency and some we're talking about we're missing right now. Some purpose.
Alison Cebulla 24:25
That's what I was thinking because I was like, wow, people were really excited about communism in the 50s. And then that look what fucking happen
Anne Sherry 24:39
Yeah, yeah. Do you feel a little more joyful? You just cried a little bit? Yeah, I do. Is there any joy how you feel it? I love it. Okay. Do you have any there's your answer. Anything
Alison Cebulla 24:53
else reading or listening to or watching that I'm reading. I'm reading a fiction right now that takes place in to medieval Russia, and oh, you sent me after that I got to play
Anne Sherry 25:04
because how right it's
Alison Cebulla 25:05
dying of the plague. Okay. And that is surprisingly great for my mental health because it's like, you know why Yes, life has
Anne Sherry 25:13
worse Yes, yes, I keep Yeah, I keep thinking like, we're still in the dark ages. Like I'm projecting out, like, you know, when historians are doing it's I don't know, if if humans are still around. I keep I also think that the earth is going to shake us off and say to itself, well, that was fucking weird. Let's not do that does feel like? Yeah, yeah. Anyways, they're looking back 10,000 years, and this is going to be lumped in with the Dark Ages. You know, so yes, yeah. Yeah, that we're, we're on our high horse, because we can do a lot of
Alison Cebulla 25:55
why do we want to heal so badly? Why don't we just want to heal everything?
Anne Sherry 26:00
No, I don't know. This is about okay, here's a light. It's not a light book. But it's a hopeful book, sand talk.
Alison Cebulla 26:07
I Oh, yeah. Talk about that one. That one's good. Can't
Anne Sherry 26:09
remember who wrote it. It's how Aboriginal wisdom could save the world, or earth or people or I can't remember the subtitle on it. But I like this guy. So much. What I like it. I mean, Aboriginal people from Australia is who he's referring to, but they have been here for so so so so long, you know, and he's like, we're still here we are a visual, and we're not going anywhere. They haven't been able to be eradicated. And they have kept their wisdom. Yes, horrible, horrible, horrible stuff. He does not like say, gloss over a Pollyanna that but just they keep folding in, you know, whatever, modern society, and then they've kept their wisdom and they're growing it again, in ways and then offering it and one of the best things that he that I have been gigging on is the all viewpoints are listened to, you know, and I'm like, God, we need that. Like, and there's this, he's like, we are just like narcissism, that is just going to happen. You know, it is just in a society, you're gonna have a narcissistic flare. But if you create the structures in the culture to say, we know, we know that's gonna happen, and we're gonna fold it back in, you know, and their pain, the way they do penal. Like, if you've broken the law, it's, it's just, it's Swift. And I mean, they will, but they, the judgment and you serve your time, but you are reintegrated as a full human citizen full. But like any one of us could fuck up. And you're better off as a full human. Like, being back into society. It's not shameful, you know, to have committed a crime, or, you know, you're not just looked at, it's like, that could have been any of us. And it's such a waste of human potential to say, and this is what we fucking do. We just say, No, you are inherently this is gonna be Christianity, right? Or however, like, you inherently fucked up, you're inherently bad, and we're mad at you. And we're gonna keep you this way. And we're gonna put all these things on you. You can't access funds, you can't get housing. You can't vote. Like we're just fucking this up one down
Alison Cebulla 28:44
member when you when I was on live radio last week. Yes. And so we had a big murder case here in my hometown that just finally got justice. It's the Kristen smart case. So I grew up looking at her face every day. My my friend's dad owns a law office, it downtown in our small town. And he put up a big picture of her face and did not take it down until justice was served. And then we had this amazing podcast, your own backyard. Did you know that? Oh, yeah, good. Yeah. And he broke the case open again, and all roads, pointed to Paul Flores. And luckily, he was just convicted. And I was on the radio, giving my trauma informed opinion about what his childhood may have been like. And his dad was also accused of being an accomplice to this murder. And somebody called in and was so mad that I was somehow letting this murderer off the hook by trying to understand how he got that way. Like, heaven forbid, and and the word that he used was no, he goes, No, this guy is just evil. Right? I don't believe that about people. I don't believe that people are Jai camp.
Anne Sherry 29:59
believe that but I'm you know, like I ever all of us belong to each other right? This is back to our Mother Teresa quote that I went on and on about but are I just but people will be like but then I'm gonna have to like take responsibility and it's like no this is not an individual problem you know it is structurally to say shit gets fucked up brains get fucked up let's look at like what are our structures you know are we are people overworked are people able to like something is happening generation after generation there's a person on tick tock or tick tock whatever I Instagram of the person who lives in Germany the it's like I She's an expat that lives in Germany and she's comparing what it is to be a German citizen and
Alison Cebulla 30:50
what is she
Anne Sherry 30:54
that she can develop a fucking hobby? Oh, she has time they have like a year of maternity Yeah, paternity leave things like that. You know that you don't you're they look at us and they're like what, you know, just health care. They're not like she she went into health care debt. As a 19 year old because or 16 year old she had a cyst on her ovary and she went to the ER by herself God treatment told them not to tell her parents which I don't know if you can or can't. But they sent her a $2,500 bill because her parents were so rigid or something they thought maybe she would ovarian cyst was a sexually active something. But that was hurt. She has all these stories of like, I started out life as a 16 year old with $2,500 of medical debt that I couldn't pay and then I have this bad credit and then it's just you're tumbling down you know, she just like it just doesn't she's
Alison Cebulla 31:50
not from California. Reproductive Health is completely covered by the state here. California is like its own little socialist country.
Anne Sherry 31:57
I know. I'm surprised you even want to be yes, but you guys have a lot of fires. So God how many water out at you we have socialism, but we don't have any that's Mad God hates you for for being so nice to.
Alison Cebulla 32:13
All right. Thanks for tuning in to our party and check out our show notes. Because all the books and articles and movies will have links. Everything is there so that if you want to follow any of our recommendations, and if you do, tell us what you think, send us an email or you can go to the contact section on our website and be like or, or Instagram, personal direct messages on Instagram. Slide into our DMS and tell us hey, I did read that book or that article and I fucking hate it. Fuck you.
Anne Sherry 32:51
Or Thanks for making me feel something.
Alison Cebulla 32:54
Yeah, you either actually don't tell us. Yes, keep that to yourself. Go punch a pillow. Okay,
Anne Sherry 33:01
yeah, go watch that French movie. Paris Yeah, yeah, and then and then see if you're still angry. Yeah. Or cry first proxy for Fox right and then
Alison Cebulla 33:13
see ya. Thanks for tuning in. Okay, bye
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